Why only 1.0 GPA required in Ohio?

[cas8043]

18-7 there is a flaw in the system in WV and I have witnessed it when I taught at PC. A student who only plays a spring sport such as baseball,softball or track only has to get eligible for 9 weeks. Here is how it works. You can totally bomb out the 1st semester. But in the second semester they will check your grades after 6 weeks, if you are passing you can practice. They will check your grades after 9 weeks, if your are above a 2.0 you are eligible the rest of the semester, then you can bomb out again. (of course you have to get at least a D to get credit for the class). You can do this for your whole four years.
Just to show you how smart kids are here is why Magnolia does not have study halls. The best students were taking AP classes which were weighted differently than regular classes (you got a higher than a 4.0 for an A). Once they took all the advanced classes they could they would only take required courses because they figured out if you got an A in an elective class your GPA would actually go down. So you had your best students (because the were fighting for class ranking) sitting around and doing nothing for 2 or 3 periods their senior year.

[MANOWAR]

And why does it have to be "football schools"??? Maybe there are "basketball schools" or "wrestling schools"..or "band schools" that are lowering the bar.

Ohio is a pretty big state you know. So maybe this 1.0 guildline was aimed at districts in Cleveland or Columbus. I know a lot of the Senate League schools in Cleveland have trouble even getting their students to come to school, much less get a 2.0 gpa.

[Ironmike]

It is what it is. WV enforces the rule strictly from what I have seen. Go to wvmat.com. The #1 AA wrestler in the state at 285 was declared academically ineligible last week for the regional qualifier, likely, according to a post by his mother, costing the kid a college scholarship.

[steelpride]

Conclusions from this brilliant web discussion:

1.Ohio requires less than a 1.0 GPA to play sports for its high school athletes (you can have 5 subjects where you get a "D" and two where you get an "F" and still play!)

2. West Virginia requires at least a 2.0 GPA OVERALL for its high school athletes to participate.

You CANNOT.......I repeat CANNOT still play if you get 5 "D's" and 2 "F's". You are making an assumption that "minimum requirement's" equals a 1.0 gpa. Does it say 1.0 specifically??? NO, it says "minimum requirements", and those requirements are set individually by each school district. The vast majority of schools in the OHSAA require a 2.0 gpa for eligibility. There are those schools (ie: some inner city schools) that have lowered the requirement to 1.5 or "no more than 1 F" in order to keep kids involved in athletics so as to keep them in school period. Again, even though they may be allowed to play in HS with those type of grades, they will not be deemed eligible per NCAA guidelines (go to www.ncaa.com).

You are very persistent in showing just how often you talk out of your rectum and continually prove your lack of insight and knowledge on most subjects.

[steelpride]

It is what it is. WV enforces the rule strictly from what I have seen. Go to wvmat.com. The #1 AA wrestler in the state at 285 was declared academically ineligible last week for the regional qualifier, likely, according to a post by his mother, costing the kid a college scholarship.

The question is......did THEY cost him the scholarship, or did the kid cost himself the scholarship? It all comes down to personal accountability.

[Wooster87]

From the NCAA eligibility rules. This is for ANY student-athlete entering ANY college or university on or after 8/1/2005 and what the NCAA clearinghouse uses to determine if a student-athlete qualifies or "partially" qualifies for eligibility to play athletics:

"14 Core Courses:

4 years of English.

2 years of mathematics ( Algebra I or higher ) .

2 years of natural/physical science ( 1year of lab if offered by high school ) .

1 year of additional English, mathematics or natural/physical science.

2 years of social science.

3 years of additional courses ( from any area above or foreign language, nondoctrinal religion/philosophy, computer science ).

Computer science is being eliminated as an acceptable core-course area for students first entering any college or university on or after August 1, 2005. Students entering college on or after August 1, 2005, may not use any computer science courses in meeting the core course requirements.

The "sliding scale" has also been extended. It will now allow a higher core GPA to reduce the SAT component. A 2.5 core GPA will still require a 820 SAT score, a higher core GPA of 2.75 GPA would need a 720 SAT score, a 3.0 core GPA would only require a 620 SAT score and a 3.55 core GPA would require just a 400 SAT score. The NCAA states that their research indicates that core class grades were the best indicators of academic success during a student-athlete’s freshman year. The NCAA has also announced that they might also increase the overall number of required core classes to 15 or 16 in the near future."
Given the above information, and considering that OH sends a extremely large number of student-athletes on to the college level to participate in athletics, the reference to "minimum requirements" does NOT specifically mean a 1.0 GPA, because they simply would not be eligible to play if all they had to maintain was a 1.0 GPA.

It is absolutely true that in some of the larger metropolitan areas the "minimum requirements" have been lowered by those individual school districts. However, you have to look at the big picture. Isn't it better to lower the "minimum requirement" and give the opportunity for some "at risk" students to continue to "participate" in athletics and hopefully keep them in school with the hopes of achieving a high school degree, than to give them another reason to justify dropping out??

[secretstud96]

The question is......did THEY cost him the scholarship, or did the kid cost himself the scholarship? It all comes down to personal accountability.

I read those posts on WVMAT and didn't understand how

1. He was not a full time student
2. He was wrestling without a 2.0
3. how did "they/he" lose him his "college plans"
4. The mother is obviously going to sue, but isn't she partly to blame?

[cas8043]

If a student can't get a 2.0 in high school, how can he/she expect to succeed in college?

[redgaucho]

If a student can't get a 2.0 in high school, how can he/she expect to succeed in college?

**VERY IMPORTANT QUOTE**, The reality of the situation lies in this quote. If the youngster in question is having a difficult time reaching the minimum grade/GPA requirements to participate in wrestling, he is going to have a very difficult time meeting the requirements of the National Clearinghouse as stated above in WOOSTERS post. I also think that the post by STEELPRIDE makes a lot of sense. Who is actually at fault here, who is actually responsible for the grades??

[Ironmike]

I am not defending the wrestler from Liberty Raleigh in WV who was ruled ineligible. The rules are clear. Would he have been eligible in OH? I don't know enough of the facts.

But you guys are confusing NCAA clearinghouse requirements (2.5 GPA/ 820 SAT) with Ohio's "passing grades," i.e., 1.0 rule.

I would guess that Ohio loses many potential athletic scholarship opportunities once recruiters see some of the "minimal" grades of some of these athletes that do not meet NCAA clearinghouse minimums.

[Ironmike]

steelpride wrote "...NO, it says "minimum requirements", and those requirements are set individually by each school district."

steelpride: since you are obviously in the know, can you POST these so-called requirements set by some of these Ohio school districts in the valley? No one else has been able or willing to do so. Rather, they just argue that "higher standards" could exist in some places.

[BrianGossett]

I am not defending the wrestler from Liberty Raleigh in WV who was ruled ineligible. The rules are clear. Would he have been eligible in OH? I don't know enough of the facts.

But you guys are confusing NCAA clearinghouse requirements (2.5 GPA/ 820 SAT) with Ohio's "passing grades," i.e., 1.0 rule.

I would guess that Ohio loses many potential athletic scholarship opportunities once recruiters see some of the "minimal" grades of some of these athletes that do not meet NCAA clearinghouse minimums.

Colleges dont offer scholarships based on athletic ability alone, and they dont consider SAT, GPA scores alone when looking at a kids academics.

Take Nate Davis for example. He had very sub par test scores, a documented learning issue. On paper, that is not a kid you want to be a QB of your team. But the folks at Ball State sat down with him and consider the individual.

My point is, if a school wants a kid, they will sit down with him and considering the actual individual they are taking in regardless of athletic and academic accomplishments (high or low).

Had Nate Davis went to school in WV, he may not have been eligible, and that would have been a damn shame. He's in the NFL, so thank God he was in Ohio. The kid deserves everything he's getting.

[BrianGossett]

steelpride wrote "...NO, it says "minimum requirements", and those requirements are set individually by each school district."

steelpride: since you are obviously in the know, can you POST these so-called requirements set by some of these Ohio school districts in the valley? No one else has been able or willing to do so. Rather, they just argue that "higher standards" could exist in some places.

I can tell you that as of 2000, when I was a senior at St.Clarisville, you had to have a 2.0 to be eligible. No if, ands, or buts.

[Pick6]

steelpride wrote "...NO, it says "minimum requirements", and those requirements are set individually by each school district."

steelpride: since you are obviously in the know, can you POST these so-called requirements set by some of these Ohio school districts in the valley? No one else has been able or willing to do so. Rather, they just argue that "higher standards" could exist in some places.

What? I know the people from steubenville, beallsville, and st.c have all said their school requires a 2.0 to be eligible without even looking back at the thread. I guarantee that no Ohio school in the OVAC has a 1.0 gpa as their minimum requirement.

[algernonsidney]

Take Nate Davis for example. He had very sub par test scores, a documented learning issue. On paper, that is not a kid you want to be a QB of your team. But the folks at Ball State sat down with him and consider the individual.

My point is, if a school wants a kid, they will sit down with him and considering the actual individual they are taking in regardless of athletic and academic accomplishments (high or low).

Had Nate Davis went to school in WV, he may not have been eligible, and that would have been a damn shame. He's in the NFL, so thank God he was in Ohio. The kid deserves everything he's getting.

Call me a cynic. I sincerely believe that most schools will bend over backward to acomodate star athletes. Most schools would do whatever they can to make sure that someone like Nate Davis would be eligible and stay eligible. They might not do it for the average player, but will do it for someone like Nate Davis.

Barry Switzer once said quite simply: "They pass them along in the system." There are plenty of stories out there of guys getting into the pros who can barely read nowadays. And you have plenty of high school and college coaches who don't care at all about what happens to their players after they use up their eligibility.